In a surprisingly polite conversation, two Englishmen, a journalist and a climate activist, talk about the fate of humanity. The activist, a leader of Extension Rebellion, argues that massive and radical acts of civil disobedience are absolutely necessary to bring about the corrective measures that might impede the collapse of entire ecological systems and the societies they support, possibly leading to the extinction of our species. The other argues, in an equally forceful manner, that the tactics, measures, and timetable proposed are, not only unrealistic but pose a mortal threat to the capitalist and democratic values and methods upheld and embodied by the British people at large. He quotes a chief of police who has declared that the movement (Extinction Rebellion) is of a terrorist nature. Do you think that things will, and ought to continue pretty much as they are now, perhaps with some slight and very gradual modifications to avoid environmental problems, or that humanity is really facing a short term environmental catastrophe that demands an unprecedented transformation in how we live and relate to one another and the world at large? An urgent conversation for sure, one for which we have little time left.